robinsociety | RH Episode Discussion

Okay guys, time for a bit of episode discussion to get the Robin love flowing. ~~That sounds sort of wrong...~~

1x13 is the chosen episode to be discussed first, as the favourite of season 1 as voted by you. As with the BoB discussion, if you have not yet seen the episode (doubtful, I realise), it is needless to say there will be spoilers below, and in the comments to this entry. Enter at your own peril. Or something slightly less sinister.

And again, just to keep things from getting too tricky for everyone to follow, when you begin discussion on one of the suggested points below, please put a subject on your comment. If you're discussing a new point, please do the same, and not reply to that comment. That way everything will stay in its own place, and make life easier for everyone. Also, once comment threads start reaching the edge of the page, feel free to start a new comment, so that they are, again, easier for everyone to follow. (On this point, if you bring up a discussion topic not listed below, if you add a subject, it will make things easier to follow)

On to the discussion. Again, as before, these are more guidelines than actual ~~rules~~ discussion points. Feel free to bring up anything not mentioned here. There's plenty to talk about in this episode that I haven't included.

Discussion Points:

1. Berserker!Robs. Awesome, yes?

2. The "I am marrying him", conversation between Robin and Marian. Thoughts? Likes, dislikes? (Wanted to yell at Marian like I did?)

3. Favourite quote from the episode.

4. Favourite actor - for their performance in this episode specifically.

5. On a scale of one to ten, how hard do you want to rip off Robs's clothes when he's in Berserker! mode? (Thanks to railise for this question. :D)

6. Favourite character - Seems redundant in this comm, but again, for this episode specifically.

7. Marian's punch. Thoughts?

8. The berserker! fight scene when the Outlaws show team leather who rocks. Thoughts on Robs throwing his no killing policy out the window, did you like the way it was filmed/acted/etc etc?

9. Did you feel any character in this episode acted OOC?

10. Robs semi auto arrow shooting. Thoughts, fangirlish squeeing about this.

11. The scene between Much and Robin (when Robin gets shoved for being a meanie). Thoughts on this. Necessary? Was Robs overboard on the cruelty, or do you feel for him because you know how much he is hurting at that moment?

12. "I am sick of doing the right thing." Thoughts on this Robin and Edward scene.

13. Have you seen this episode with the commentary? If yes, thoughts on this?

14. The final sequence, with Vaizey flailing about in the air. Awesome, or over the top and silly?

15. Robin's decision to just walk away from it all. Did you think this was an understandable/justified reaction?

16. The KISS (You know the one I mean). Thoughts of FINALLY and general squee about it?

17. On the subject of the kiss, and them not wanting to be seen entering together...those two guards at the gate. Mannequins?

18. Edward. Did you like his scenes in this episode? Do you think we should have seen more of him?

19. Favourite scene overall, for whatever reason you have chosen it.

20. Anything you would have done differently in this episode if you magically had control and could change it.

21.
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Hope this promotes some interesting discussion. Have fun!

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Just rewatched the whole episode, and I can see where you're coming from, but:

1. I don't think Robin was planning on leaving at that point. It's pretty clear to me that he still thinks he can stop the wedding -- he tells Much "There must be a way." He tries to talk Marian out of it one last time, then he sits and sulks for what seems like forever before finally getting up to leave.

2. Much still deserved an apology. Wanting to be alone to wallow in self-pity is no excuse to be so cruel to someone who's been nothing but unconditionally loyal to you IMO. I just don't get the impression that it's for Much's benefit at all -- Robin is too wrapped up in his own pain to consider anyone else's feelings.

I side with Robin 9 times out of 10, but when he's an ass to Much, I just can't.

Edited 2010-04-07 05:55 (UTC)

That's how I see that. I understand that he is hurting, but it's no reason to say the words he says. Or, alternatively, if he is so upset he didn't even think about the things he was saying, the least he can do is throw in an apology afterwards.

AWW, your icon! *melts*

Edited 2010-04-07 06:07 (UTC)

Hee, it's a nice one isn't it.

Though for melting purposes, generally it's this one. Though that's a different kind of melting...

Er, yes, definitely a different kind of melting. He bulked up a bit in S3, didn't he? ;)

He did indeed. It's actually quite interesting (and totally not for reasons of perving) to see the difference over the 3 different seasons...

I'll absolutely agree that Robin should have apologized for this whole confrontation later--after they left Nottingham and the emergency was over, but I'm afraid Robin just wasn't given a chance--the series ended! Yes, it would have been nice to see something of the sort, but outside of exchanging a few words in Lockley, Robin doesn't even have a moment with Much.

But don't forget that before it is over, Robin has saved Much's life. There's a weird symmetry here. Robin is threatened with Much's murder in ep 1 (guards are going t throw him from the battlements) and in ep 13 (Vaysey holds a knife to his throat), and in both cases, Robin's dramatic save wins the day. In ep 13, we can be quite sure that after having his life saved, Much is fully satisfied that Robin didn't mean what he said.

I'm not sure Much needs the verbal apology as much as we women think we do.

I think of it not so much as a need, but as an 'it would be nice of him to do it'.

I've noticed that before, too. The two rescues, in 101 and 113. It's a nice touch.

Well, it wouldn't have to be a long scene -- Robin could have just taken a second to say "I'm sorry" before breaking into the castle. I see your point about his rescue of Much being his apology, but Much does tend to want verbal acknowledgement from Robin. I'm thinking of this exchange in 2x08:

Robin: Old friend, you hold a special place in my heart.
Much: I do?
Robin: Do I really have to say it?
Much: Of course not. (after Robin walks away) Just once in a while would be nice.

Edited 2010-04-07 17:33 (UTC)

The 2x08 dialogue may actually have been a script response to fan dissatisfaction with 1x13. Do you think? Many fans were vocal in saying much the same thing that has been said here: Robin was mean and should have apologized.

Interesting. I had no clue how people reacted to 1x13 because I wasn't in the fandom back then. I suppose it's a possibility.

What a pity they couldn't listen to fan response and magically bring Marian back from the dead after 2x13. ;)

That, and bring Will and Djaq back, and have Kate magically transported to Antarctica, and--

--I should probably stop now, before I get carried away... ;)

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